Monday, September 6, 2010

An egalitrian Society is one in which all members are equal. Do you believe that such a society is achievable in Trindad and Tobago. Use your readings to support your answers and arguments.

50 comments:

  1. Marilyn said:
    The Prime Minister of Trinidad and Tobago in her Emancipation speech to the nation states, “Emancipation presents an opportunity to celebrate triumph over oppression…” I believe although we are free from slavery we are not free in the true sense of the word. An egalitarian society in which all members of the society are considered to be equal, this type of society is very difficult to achieve in Trinidad and Tobago. This is because the group of people in our society who holds the position of power, prestige and wealth continues to seek after their own selfish ambitions rather than seeking to have equal distribution of the nation’s wealth among all classes of our society. For example in Trinidad and Tobago we are still struggling with social inequality among the different social groups in our society. In some societies the upper class is considered to be the persons holding the power, prestige and wealth and in this case, they continue to exploit the lower class of the society.

    The only way I believe Trinidad and Tobago can achieve an egalitarian society is if those holding the position of power can put aside selfish ambitions and use power as a “legitimate authority “ (Haralambos 21). If those in the lower class believe that they are treated equally only then together will aim to work and achieve the same goal.

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  2. ,Basdeo Panday always spoke about the need for the people of T&T to have an equal share to all of what those people in the ruling party (PNM) enjoyed. He often made this whenever he was in the opposition. I do believe that Mr. Panday was referring to Trinidad & Tobago becoming an Egalitarian society. While I have no problem with that ideology - it is something that some politicians and trade unionist make lots of "noise for" whenever they are in "opposition" and make little mention of whenever the reigns of power are in their hands. In most civilized societies the idea of egalitarianism is seen as very impracticable and "unfair". This system appears to be too Marxist and ancient for such a time as this.
    Albert Best
    CNC SO200 2010 Sociology Student

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  3. BUt what is equal ... e.g. I go to the Bank and because I am a major leagure custome or a scotialine customer I get private banking, I get fast tracked through the system ... is that unequal .. is that unfair?

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  4. I don't believe an egalitarian society is achievable in Trinidad & Tobago. Because there are members of the dominant class who impose their will on others without their consent. Their individual lifestyle associates with social position, and they are not willing to give up they (wealth) material possession to be at the same level with everyone else in society. Since man is a positional being and is driven by the attainment of power.
    Bridget Fletcher
    CNC SO 200 Student

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  5. When we see people get favored treatment here in T&T, be it the bank, TTEC,WASA, TSTT etc it is because our culture has been patterned to carry out those unfair practices. That mentality pervades our entire society, this is why places like the Licensing office placed signs in their offices years ago informing customers not to request "help" from any employee who is not stationed at any of the teller booths. It was not to prevent favoritism and corruption at the same time. It only curtailed the culture of favoritism for a short time. What goes on in T&T may have to be redefined - so far I have not seen any theory which has accurately defined our culture. But I still have a lot to learn, therefore I am certain that the appropriate theory defining our overall culture will be revealed. (I know it is not just a Carnival culture)

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  6. My name is Dotsie Bacchus and I am from the beautiful island of Tobago.As a social work student,Ihave a passion to go into the depth of the human being to know how they feel,what they feel and to create some level of healing and comfort.
    With this in mind, Ihope to obtain knowlege skills techniques and learning experiences to realise my full potentials

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  7. According to definition, culture is the way of life and habits that a society learn, share and transmit from generation to generation.
    I will like to share this true story.This young lady grew up and lived with her mother for twenty one years.She latter left the country and went to the USA where she spent a number of years.After returning,she told her mother that she could no longer live in the country that she was born and bred.Her mother commented that she was ungrateful.
    Iwould like some explaination based on the definition of culture.

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  8. Dr Lincoln you spoke about spending a period of your life in the country and then the family moved to Arima??
    Would you be able to go back to the country and live comfortable.
    Dotsie

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  9. Sociological Perspective.
    The writer introduces sociology as one of a number of social sciences.Compared to psychology ,sociology is concerned about studying humans in groups rather than studying them individually.
    The writer goe on to talk about the social context in which human behavior takes place.He defines culture and goes on to explain culture inequality and society.He talks about the issues that cause social division.The development of human societies which included premodern and modern societiesThe theories of society which included functionalism and marxism to name a few.

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  10. Marxism theory
    Marxism theory states that in order to survive,humans must produce food and material objects.In so doing social relationships with other people are developed.
    In comparing this theory in a Trinidad and Tobago society,we see how these social relationships can be divided into capitalists.Wealth in a capitalist society is produced by the labour power of the workers.It is so inconsiderate to workers who produce in the public or private sector making contributions to the profits and growth of the company,but cannot enjoy the benefits of same.Is this system a way of life or down right forgery.
    Dotsie

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  11. I share the sentiments of the feminist writers that all women are not equally oppresed or exploited.For example there are still caring men who are committed to their families and women have been able to hold down executive positions and the men were comfortable with this.(I hope)

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  12. An egalitrian society is not achievable in Trinidad and Tobago until we change the system of the division and the distribution of wealth.We are living in a Capitalist society and the conflict of interest between capital and labour which involves one group gaining at the expense of the other cannot be resolved within the frame work of a capitalist economy.
    Dotsie

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  13. No, I don,t beleive such a society is acheivable in Trinidad and Tobago. Status, position and glory is what this society strives on. We have already conformed to a particular way of life and have established a way of thinking.

    The government of the day, claims to be of the people, for the people butI am yet to see even a tendency toward equal distribution of power or wealth among the population.

    "The egalitarian society, remains a dream?"(chapter 1)

    student cnc

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  14. WOW. Thats a lot to respond to. Dotsie.. Yes I can go back to the country but I will have to go alone. I dont know If I could have lived there during my professional development. But now that I am getting close to my retirment years i will enjoy that.

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  15. Albert ... but dont you think that people need to be rewarded for their hard work dilligence and sacrifice. Dont you think that special services and priviliges are rewards for our lifes committment .. if not then whats the point.

    And Dotsbee ... when you work for the capitralist dont you see your reward in your pay envcelope ... what do you want more?

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  16. And Dotsbee what do you think about this from the Govt of the day is not this an effdoret to broing more eveness into society

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  17. 30 Points aimed at Poverty Alleviation
    1. The expansion of the Gate program to include
    2. $1000 Tax Free Duty Allowance for Police Men
    3. Minimum Pension of $3000 to Public Service Retirees
    4. Senior citizens grant replcaced by senior citizens pension and increased to $3000
    5. Amnesty on Tax penalties and interest for late filing of Income Tax
    6. Milk program to be offered through the health centers, child welfare clinics and centers for antenatal mothers.
    7. Elderly mobile service in 2011
    8. $18000 Tic credit to first time home owners
    9. Payments of debts to contractors to the tune of $4 Billion
    10. Maintenance of Property taxes at old rates and old values
    11. Repayment to small depositors of $75,000
    12. $4.3 Billion to health care
    13. Completion of the Point Fortin Hospital
    14. $8.3 Billion to Education and Training
    15. Removal of Taxes on Machinery to promote and enhance agriculture
    16. $75000 to depositors and shareholders of the Hindu credit Union
    17. Settlement of outstanding issue of the review of Public Servants Term of employment outstanding since 2008
    18. Expediting of VAT refunds to contractors to a tune of $2.8 Billion
    19. Youth mentoring programme for at risk youths
    20. Victims of crime support program to rehabilitate and ensure continued productivity from victims.
    21. Laptop distribution programme
    22. The development of 5 poles that will cater to the development of various sectors of the society and consequently creation of employment This includes
    a. Couca, Charlievill, Carapichaima and Chaguanas
    b. The South Western Peninsula of Trinidad
    c. The East Port of Span Area
    d. The North Coast
    e. North East Tobagp
    23. Integrated Campus in Tobago incorporating UWI,UTT and COSTATT
    24. Expansion of Free Trade Zones
    25. A Loan default plan for farmers unable to meet capital and interest payments to the ADB
    26. A reduction of the ADB interest rate to 3 – 5 %
    27. Significant concessions to owners and Users of CNG outfitted vehicles
    28. $10 Million Innovation Financing Facility

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  18. 30 Points aimed at Poverty Alleviation
    1. The expansion of the Gate program to include
    2. $1000 Tax Free Duty Allowance for Police Men
    3. Minimum Pension of $3000 to Public Service Retirees
    4. Senior citizens grant replcaced by senior citizens pension and increased to $3000
    5. Amnesty on Tax penalties and interest for late filing of Income Tax
    6. Milk program to be offered through the health centers, child welfare clinics and centers for antenatal mothers.
    7. Elderly mobile service in 2011
    8. $18000 Tic credit to first time home owners
    9. Payments of debts to contractors to the tune of $4 Billion
    10. Maintenance of Property taxes at old rates and old values
    11. Repayment to small depositors of $75,000
    12. $4.3 Billion to health care
    13. Completion of the Point Fortin Hospital
    14. $8.3 Billion to Education and Training
    15. Removal of Taxes on Machinery to promote and enhance agriculture
    16. $75000 to depositors and shareholders of the Hindu credit Union
    17. Settlement of outstanding issue of the review of Public Servants Term of employment outstanding since 2008
    18. Expediting of VAT refunds to contractors to a tune of $2.8 Billion
    19. Youth mentoring programme for at risk youths
    20. Victims of crime support program to rehabilitate and ensure continued productivity from victims.
    21. Laptop distribution programme
    22. The development of 5 poles that will cater to the development of various sectors of the society and consequently creation of employment This includes
    a. Couca, Charlievill, Carapichaima and Chaguanas
    b. The South Western Peninsula of Trinidad
    c. The East Port of Span Area
    d. The North Coast
    e. North East Tobagp
    23. Integrated Campus in Tobago incorporating UWI,UTT and COSTATT
    24. Expansion of Free Trade Zones
    25. A Loan default plan for farmers unable to meet capital and interest payments to the ADB
    26. A reduction of the ADB interest rate to 3 – 5 %
    27. Significant concessions to owners and Users of CNG outfitted vehicles
    28. $10 Million Innovation Financing Facility

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  19. And by the way dotsbee .. I am not Lincoln I am Lionel

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  20. What is equality? To me equality means justice for ALL. Why is it that persons belonging to the horticulture can get away with any and everything but 'the small man'faces the full brunt of the law when found in fault? Equality is not one dimensional but should be spread abroad in all aspects of our lives, whether it be in our service industry, or our justice system.

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  21. Dr. Douglas those 30 points the government made mention of looks good on paper- lets see it implemented in the society and observe how it alleviates some of the societal ills. But, I still believe that poverty eradication has to start in the minds of people and it needs to be taught in our schools; when our young children learn to appreciate the fact that can be high achievers just like children in any other developed society, we will see an improvement in their creative thinking skills.

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  22. Thats right so donr vex and get envious when some have and some dont have. Thise whi doint have need to be taiught how to get - and not with guns anbd bullets but by studying hard. You know
    The heights by great men reached and kept poem

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  23. The nature of people-"the selfish nature" suggests that,an egalitarian society is near impossible in this country. The experience of power, prestige and wealth intoxicates most people, so much so that they will never agree to share their wealth or give up their power and prestige for that dream of egalitarianism.

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  24. Albert,the 30 points the Government mentions really looks good on paper, but what really gets my attention is the exclusion of the Defence Force from the tax free duty allowance.The same Defence Force who work alongside the Police Service.Apparently the minister has not learnt about egalitarianism.

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  25. Egalitarian societal members tend to treat each other as equals. Wealth differences are few as is the amount of power available to any individual or group. I believe that anything is possible with determination and support, however, at this present time and culture within Trinidad and Tobago an egalitarian society at this time is not achievable, not by the will of the upper classes and the power in which they crave. The reality of becoming an egalitarian society can be unjust to the hard working citizens of Trinidad and Tobago. Question such as; why do we need to be educated, why is knowledge relevant if we governed by an egalitarian leader? Even though equality is a method of development, how are we going to achieve it. Is riches given or is it worked for? Who is truly responsible for dissolving poverty? Martin Luther King, Jr., Where Do We Go from Here: Chaos or Community?, 1967. States
    The curse of poverty has no justification in our age. It is socially as cruel and blind as the practice of cannibalism at the dawn of
    civilization, when men ate each other because they had not yet learned to take food from the soil or to consume the abundant
    animal life around them. The time has come for us to civilize ourselves by the total, direct and immediate abolition of poverty.
    Shurlene P. (CNC so200)

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  26. No, I do not believe that such a society can be achieved in Trinidad and Tobago because all of us at one time fall prey to some form of biasness. For example yesterday a customer visited my place of employment and wanted an item to be delivered to them urgently. Because of a lack of time I wanted to put off delivery without asking any questions. But own my way out of the office I met someone I knew, not knowing that this was the customer in question. After realizing that this was someone that I knew suddenly time became available for the delivery to be made. Then I realized that I too was participating in the reason why this society could never happen

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  27. Dr Douglas and others would you agree with me when I say the 2010 Budget was geared for one particular group or class of people in the society? Never mind the political gimmicks that were promised, which seem to facilitate or accommodate the working class of society. For e.g, the distributions of laptops and the maintenance of taxes at the old rate and old value etc. In my mind its a way of evading the new taxes that were to be implemented and allow the ruling class to do their just dues. But somewhere in the mind or practice of someone, sensing the lost or the depravity, they quickly make a bargain with whom I don't know to cover themselves. But there is a saying, "all crave all lost". Who can change our working class from such oppression? It always seems that there is a way out for the ruling class, but who shall deliver the working class? so200 bridget

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  28. Marilyn said:
    It is very difficult for Trinidad and Tobago to achieve an egalitarian society since our society is mainly divided by different class, race and religion. Bridget said, “because there are members of the dominant class who impose their will on others without their consent”. I agree with her, because in Trinidad and Tobago there are always those of the ruling class and who control more of the wealth and power in our society. These people continue to oppress and take advantage of those who may be working for them in some way or the other. According to Marxist perspective, “the ruling class uses the superstructure (eg. legal and political systems) to legitimate its position and prevent protests by the subject class”(Haralambos 7). I believe the political system in Trinidad and Tobago continues to give way to the bourgeoisies who dominates those of the lower class in our society. For example, for years we are hearing debates over the issue concerning the minimum wage bill. To date we still have people living in Trinidad and Tobago still receiving salaries under the minimum wage. Could this be equality? I believe we are very far to achieving an egalitarian society.

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  29. Marilyn said:
    Bridget, I am not sure I would like to say that the 2010 budget mainly caters for the one group of people in out society. Although I agree that the tax amnesty introduced would benefit those from the higher class in our society. According to Anna Ramdass reporter of the Trinidad Express dated 10th September, 2010. She stated, “this amnesty was in response to a call from the business sector”. However, who are the people who own the major big businesses in Trinidad and Tobago? Of course it is not those of the lower class. The children who sat the SEA exams may be getting a laptop computer sometime in the future. But what about the poor people who invested all the earnings into Clico they may be left in the “rain” wait on their Bonds or even die without getting back their monies.

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  30. Kimonet Marsh
    For a truly egalitarian society to be present, then all persons in the society would need to have the desire to qualify themselves. However, this is not present in any society and this includes Trinidad and Tobago. There are those who would want the same opportunity as others and to have the same thing as others, but they will not put in what others have to get the results.

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  31. Marilyn is this an Oxymoron - The poor people who invested all their earnings - Can poor people invest. When I was really poor (I still am) I could not even buy foof far more invest. I thik once you start investing you ent poor. What all you think?

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  32. No this society is not achievable in Trinidad and Tobago because in today’s society biasness is rampant and blatant. A good example is, if you remember some years ago when the then Prime Minister Mr. Basdeo Panday was charged for not declaring his assets to the integrity commission. He should have been jailed, but he never was because of the position he held at the time. There were so many excuses why he did go to jail one of which is his health problems. If this had been a poor or ordinary man he would have been jailed health problems and all.

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  33. I think that in order for such a society to exists in T&T we have to be rediscoverd. We operate far from an eqlatarian society, the social class systems are designed and are labled as to (maintain order and function in society) however it is because of this stratification that we are in the mess that we're in. Have we compared our society to that of an eglatnarian society there are some pitfall, since the power of governance is given to the selected few to rule, however the effects on society is more controlled and harmonized. I wonder if Kark Marx was a Christian, it seem like his steadfastness to bring about equality and justice to the working classe in society was for a greater good.

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  34. According to the Stranford Encycopedia of Philosophy an Egalitarian expresses the idea that all human persons are equal in fundamental worth or moral status. However all men and women are not created equal. We each have strengths in one area which may not be as acute in other individuals. According to Marx it is difficult to achieve equality since some individuals are naturally more able than others. In Trinidad and Tobago it cannot be said that we are egalitarian, however if we look at strides made by labour movements and humanitarian efforts we can realize that statistics have shown that within the past 30 years our nation has been aspiring towards this ideal.
    If we look just in the labour sector, there are major improvements towards egalitarianism; the increasing of the minimal wage, the increase in the percentage of women who function within the labour force from 32% in 1970 to 50% in 2000 is one of great significance showing strides towards equality. One cannot state that the twin island nation is egalitarian; there have been milestone achievements stimulating equality which presses the nation gets closer towards this target.
    Tessa Matamoro
    CNC student

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  35. Sir i agree that when we invest we are no longer poor. I say that in relation to the both absolute and relative poverty. You said that you didn't have the resources to invest when you were "really poor"(absolute poverty)
    I think that some people live more in relative poverty though. Many don't have the insight to realize that their are ways that they could save. remember when people used to store money under the mattress? some of these were not wealthy they had small earnings (if any) but they had the vision to save. won't u say that makes the poverty relative?

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  36. Hi guys
    I wish to emphatically state that an egalitarian society is not possible in Trinidad and Tobago.
    As I review the four main epochs listed by Karl Marx (p26)the Primitive Communism,the Ancient Society the Feudal Society and the Capital Society, I am convinced that an egalitarian society was only possible in the first epoch where according to Marx there was no "class" present.
    I do not believe that an egalitarian society is achievable in any part of the globe. it is unachievable base on the following two reasons:1)We are innately selfish and as such,persons of great fortune might not think it fair to share their wealth with another person who is less fortunate.
    2)before we were born there exist unequal distribution of wealth,this wealth brings prestige and power so that those with wealth has a voice over those without.e.g the juice system of world imprisons persons based on who they are and not what they may have done(the celebrity-Lindsay Lohan. So NO I do not believe that an egalitarian society is achievable either in Trinidad or in any part of the globe.

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  37. How do we reconcile the following scripture with the predominant view that an egalitarian society is NOT acievable?

    Acts 2:44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;

    45And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.

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  38. An egalitarian society in Trinidad and Tobago?!!! Ha!.... Never! there will always be inequities. We will do well to recognize early that life isn't fair. And even though we are supposedly created"equal" apparently some are created more equal than others....But that does not mean that fairness should be thrown away as a value, nor does it justify mistreatment of our fellow human beings, just because absolute equality is unattainable. No matter how much someone may buy into the notion that making things fair is a hopeless proposition, it always seems they will still be acutely aware when they are not dealt a fair hand.

    In our society of Trinidad and Tobago as we know it, it is all about status,the car we drive.... status, the places we can afford to go to.... status even the common thing now as a cell phone identifies you with having some sort of status, we live in a selfish society, so no where are we going to find people selling their possessions and goods and distributing them to all men. And yes! all that believed are together and have all things in common and this can be seen in the divide of our society in the way we socialize and treat each other. Submitted by ARIAN GLODON

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  39. In responce to Dr. Douglas
    The question of reconciling the following scripture with the predominant view that an egalitarian society is NOT acievable?

    Acts 2:44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;

    45And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.

    I like Karl Marx, strongly believe that the Western society (which Trinbagoians have embraced) has developed through four main epochs 1. The primitive Communism 2.Ancient society 3.Feudal society 4.Capitalist society.
    To reconcile the two scripture I would say this action and by extension this scripture was written during a transitional period between the primitive communism and ancient society and the added fact that the people embracing this act are doing so in the name of a particular culture and religion thus they made the rules that they abide by.

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  40. This society according to my knowledge has never been established, and may never be. I'm happy that I am doing this course so that my eyes are open to the fact of many disadvantages that are taking place in the various society around the world. Probably, because of the requirement to fit in such society many people have given up, are on the street as vagrant (have anyone ever taught of that?)or may have killed them self. This should not happen though,but anything is possible. Mind you I am not naive. As it bugles my mind I send it to do the same, maybe to one of great concern.

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  41. I don’t believe that we as a people of Trinidad and Tobago are ready in any way of an “egalitarian” society. We were conditioned to work for what is “ours”, and the more we have is the more we shall seek to get. While I don’t have a problem with people working hard for what they desire, at the same time we must not accept this selfish mentality of “what is mine, is mine alone”. However I believed that we were born with a natural instinct to survived, so we seek to do that by thinking of ourselves before other. Also as a society I don’t think we understand how to balance “power”, “Prestige” and “ Wealth”, we only cause more havoc that peace.

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  42. BUt what is equal ... e.g. I go to the Bank and because I am a major leagure custome or a scotialine customer I get private banking, I get fast tracked through the system ... is that unequal .. is that unfair?

    September 11, 2010 9:40 PM
    Sir you mentioned the aforementioned, I think with reference to the banking system and its normal benefits, I can’t say that it unfair in no way. However what might be interesting is how you became a “major leaguer customer” or what might have qualified you for such esteem privileges

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  43. Joanne: The question based on an egalitarian society where all members are equal, raises the question as to whether our society is also considered to be equal.
    I have heard the term, that we ought to be an equal state, as stated in our National Anthem, where every creed and race finds and equal state.” But in real terms, this could not be a fact, knowing that we copy the stratification process of an inequality type of life stemming from various groups and classes in our society.
    Take for instance, our country has a consistent pattern of some wealthy people, who live extravagant, which allows them to inherit both privileges and power, which indeed sets the stage for the con-structuring, instructing and capitalizing on many of the various class.
    These classes throughout society make up a chart of these interesting categories- The Government- Ruling Class, the Upper Class, the Upper Middle Class, the Lower Middle Class, the Lower Class and the Under Class. So, this all inclusive blend does not have an equal say, but even in the job market women are not always treated equal. They might use the term equal to mean equal opportunities to all, but it’s like this “see meh and come live with meh is another thing.”
    Some opportunities are given to certain class of people. This may mean that positions and privileges are based not only on qualifications, but according to specifics, it must be case of who you are or where you are from etc. Hence, we can still live comfortable among each other right here in Trinidad and Tobago, but our status and cultural backing, will determine, where we will end up.

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  44. Joanne: This question states that you have a Major League account at the Bank, which allows you their special privilege to fast track your transaction. The question is, whether it is unequal or unfair.
    I believe that, when it comes to the business sector in our society, they mean business. Therefore what some might perceive to be a negative example of being “unequal or unfair ” might very well be quoted to be one of valued customer service. The Bank would also be aware that they have competitors and would not want to loose business to each of their long standing or highly invested customers. Hence, they would need to treat their customers to suit those time/years of investment within the company’s framework and structure.
    Although some may argue that it is unfair, I certainly don’t see it that way. Since the Banking business in its day to day transaction does not see their operation as a prejudice company but rather as a honest business. What they do believe though, is that they run an honest business and make no mistake, for them, “money talks.” For they believe that the ones that makes their company feel proud, they prefer to extend, similar treatment to them. But for those regular customers who still struggling on the side, they too can also enjoy good service, but it might not be to the extent to which their Major league customers will enjoy, this clearly highlights customer status as part of that role to play.

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  45. caoline said...

    Marxism theory
    Marxism theory states that in order to survive,humans must produce food and material objects.In so doing social relationships with other people are developed.
    In comparing this theory in a Trinidad and Tobago society,we see how these social relationships can be divided into capitalists.Wealth in a capitalist society is produced by the labour power of the workers.It is so inconsiderate to workers who produce in the public or private sector making contributions to the profits and growth of the company,but cannot enjoy the benefits of same.

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  46. caoline said...

    Sir i agree that when we invest we are no longer poor. I say that in relation to the both absolute and relative poverty. You said that you didn't have the resources to invest when you were "really poor"(absolute poverty)
    I think that some people live more in relative poverty though. Many don't have the insight to realize that their are ways that they could save. remember when people used to store money under the mattress? some of these were not wealthy they had small earnings (if any) but they had the vision to save. won't u say that makes the poverty relative?
    September 17, 2010 5:10 AM

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  47. Caroline said...

    In responce to Dr. Douglas
    The question of reconciling the following scripture with the predominant view that an egalitarian society is NOT acievable?

    Acts 2:44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;

    45And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.

    I like Karl Marx, strongly believe that the Western society (which Trinbagoians have embraced) has developed through four main epochs 1. The primitive Communism 2.Ancient society 3.Feudal society 4.Capitalist society.
    To reconcile the two scripture I would say this action and by extension this scripture was written during a transitional period between the primitive communism and ancient society and the added fact that the people embracing this act are doing so in the name of a particular culture and religion thus they made the rules that they abide by.
    September 20, 2010 12:52 PM

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  48. caroline said
    I wish to emphatically state that an egalitarian society is not possible in Trinidad and Tobago.
    As I review the four main epochs listed by Karl Marx (p26)the Primitive Communism,the Ancient Society the Feudal Society and the Capital Society, I am convinced that an egalitarian society was only possible in the first epoch where according to Marx there was no "class" present.
    I do not believe that an egalitarian society is achievable in any part of the globe. it is unachievable base on the following two reasons:1)We are innately selfish and as such,persons of great fortune might not think it fair to share their wealth with another person who is less fortunate.
    2)before we were born there exist unequal distribution of wealth,this wealth brings prestige and power so that those with wealth has a voice over those without.e.g the juice system of world imprisons persons based on who they are and not what they may have done(the celebrity-Lindsay. NO I do not believe that an egalitarian society is achievable either in Trinidad or in any part of the globe.
    September 18, 2010 3:08 PM

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  49. caroline said...

    All men and women are not created equal. We each have strengths in one area which may not be as acute in other individuals. According to Marx it is difficult to achieve equality since some individuals are naturally more able than others. In Trinidad and Tobago it cannot be said that we are egalitarian, however if we look at strides made by labour movements and humanitarian efforts we can realize that statistics have shown that within the past 30 years our nation has been aspiring towards this ideal.
    If we look just in the labour sector, there are major improvements towards egalitarianism; the increasing of the minimal wage, the increase in the percentage of women who function within the labour force from 32% in 1970 to 50% in 2000 is one of great significance showing strides towards equality. One cannot state that the twin island nation is egalitarian; there have been milestone achievements stimulating equality which presses the nation gets closer towards this target.
    Caroline Rambarram
    CNC student
    September 16, 2010 7:09 PM

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  50. No its not achievable, and it may well be. The system in which one society is built does not allow it. In a country such as ours, capitalism rules, the strong live off the week, the poor serve the rich and the ruling class dominate the working class to remain on top.

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